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100 Verses for Witnessing to Mormons - Vintage
11/03/2012 - James White
"The word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart." (Hebrews 4:12 KJV). The ability to utilize the Word of God accurately and correctly in the witnessing situation is a great asset. When dealing with people who already have a faith structure, it is vital.This booklet outlines 100 verses of Scripture that have proven effective in the witnessing situation with members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, or, the Mormons. This listing of verses is the result of many hundreds of hours of one-on-one and sometimes one-on-twenty witnessing, ranging from people's homes to street corners, Mormon pageants, and even the Temple in Salt Lake City during General Conference. They have been tested under fire, and, when properly used, have proven their worth.
Of course, any verse without a context is a pretext, and you will want to be thoroughly familiar with the context of each of these passages. Still, the ability to quote a verse from memory and skillfully utilize that text in debate is needful to the person who wishes to be truly equipped and prepared. Most conversations between a Christian and a Mormon will be moving far too fast for looking up verses in the concordance of a Bible, and I have found that being able to quote a verse quickly and accurately gives the Christian the advantage of keeping control of the conversation, an occurrence all too rare in most cases.
This booklet alone cannot provide you with all the information you need to be properly prepared to enter the battlefield. Study of Mormon doctrine is important, and even more important is the study of the basic Christian doctrines. Hopefully memorizing 100 verses will set you on a life-long course of Scripture memorization that will help you grow in the knowledge of God's Word and in your relationship with Him. I openly acknowledge the great influence of one of the best missionaries to the Mormons, Wally Tope. Though not specifically involved in the production of this work, his book On the Frontlines Witnessing to Mormons provided me with my "basic training" years ago, and that influence can be seen in the Scripture selections found herein.
How Do I Memorize that Many Verses???
Different people memorize in different ways. Don't believe the old excuse that you simply cannot memorize verses - I feel anyone is able to accomplish that task. When you think about it, you memorize a great deal of information every day. How many phone numbers do you know? How many addresses? Most of us, if we sat down and took the time to do it, could create a long list of names and phone numbers and combinations and codes and so on and so on. Hence, you are able to memorize Scripture is you really want to. That is the key - you must desire it with all your heart, and be willing to make the commitment that it takes to get the job done.
Repetition is important in learning. Somehow you must devise a system whereby you are able to review your verses on a daily basis. This is not something that will end after the 100th verse is memorized - it will go on for the rest of your life if you really want to keep the verses fresh in your mind. My system began by keeping a master list of all verses memorized, as well as those being worked on. Once a verse is memorized, it is placed on the list and reviewed each day for ten days, a place for a mark being available for each of the days. When the ten day review is over, it is placed in a category that is reviewed once every week or month.
But how do I memorize the verse? The most effective method I have found involves quotation and writing. Read over the verse three or four times, noting the natural breaks and rhythms. Begin trying to quote from memory, making sure to check your accuracy - you don't want to start off memorizing it incorrectly! Once you can quote it ten times straight, take out a sheet of paper and begin to write it. Check the written verse for correct-ness. Write it again, and check it again. Write it at least 5 times. This seems to really ingrain the verse in the memory. Make sure to review it each day for at least 10 days.
Once you begin to have a fairly extensive list, you may want to upgrade your system. I eventually had to go to a 3 X 5 card system. This is especially handy in reviewing a long list of verses, as it cuts down on having to look up each verse in the Bible. It is also helpful to be able to categorize the verses in general category headings.
There are numerous variations on the above method, and you may not like any of them. No matter how you do it, make it a priority. Without a commitment to following through you will never get the verses down. Believe me, the thrill of being able to answer the attacks of a whole group of Mormon Elders while pushing forward the claims of Christ on their lives is well worth the effort of memorization.
But Which Version Do I Use??
That is a very good question. Most would immediately answer - "why, King James of course!" It is true that since the LDS Church accepts only the KJV, it is the one familiar to most Mormons. However, many Christians today perfer memorizing the Word in a translation that re-presents both modern language and modern textual inform-ation. As many of these verses will mean much to you in your personal life, the choice is up to you. I personally began with the King James Version and switched to the New American Standard at a later time, a situation which presents its own problems, to be sure. If you choose to go with a more modern version, realize that you will need to be able to give a good, quick, concise and accurate explanation of how we get the Bible, including textual history and translation. Most Mormons don't know a thing about the subject whatsoever, and rarely does a Christian have to go very in-depth. But if you use another translation other than the KJV, you will have to give a good reason for it. For the sake of simplicity, I will follow the KJV in quoting the verses, and will point out translation difficulties when they arise.
The Program
The verses will be broken up into topical sections. It is vitally important that background information be included, not only to give you needed data, but you will find it extremely helpful to be able to explain the context and importance of a verse to a Mormon, who will 95% of the time be ignorant of solid rules of interpret-ation as well as Biblical backgrounds, both of which are necessary to understand the Bible and its message. If you don't have a plan of attack or a goal you are working toward in the witnessing encounter, you will be lost. But if you have a goal, say, to deal with the Mormon testimony, you can organize your thoughts, marshal your verses, and present your case convincingly. Believe me, a person who has memorized these verses and is aware of his/her own faith as well as the errors of Mormonism will be well equipped for the task. With that, lets get started!
Section I
The Authority of God's Word
Verses:
1. Proverbs 30:5-6
2. Proverbs 13:13
3. Isaiah 40:8
4. Matthew 24:35
1. Proverbs 30:5-6: "Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar."
Comment: These verses, as is obvious, discuss the authority of God's Word, its unchangeableness, and the foolishness of adding to it or slighting it. Many Mormons have trouble accepting the authority of the Bible in their lives. These verses may help.
2. Proverbs 13:13: "Whoso despiseth the word shall be destroyed: but he that feareth the commandment shall be rewarded."
3. Isaiah 40:8: "The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever."
Comment: Peter's use of this passage and his inter-pretation of it at 1 Peter 1:23-25 is interesting, as well.
4. Matthew 24:35: "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away."
Section II
The Mormon Testimony
Verses:
5. Proverbs 14:12
6. Jeremiah 17:9
7. Acts 17:11
8. 1 Thessalonians 5:21
9. James 1:5
5. Proverbs 14:12: "There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death."
6. Jeremiah 17:9: "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desparately wicked: who can know it?"
Comment: I have found these verses to be extremely effective in communicating to LDS the Bible's position concerning what is and what is not truth. The Mormon's "burning-bosom" experience is frequently used by them as their basis of truth. They need to realize that to trust their eternal welfare to a feeling that a shot of Alka-Seltzer could get rid of is the extreme of folly. We all know people who believe many things very sincerely, and even feel that the "Holy Ghost" has told them that what they believe is true. They may be just as sincere as the LDS person is - so what is the difference? We all have testimonies, and if having one makes you right, then we are all right and we might as well forget it. Instead, the Bible provides us with an unchanging standard by which our feelings must be measured, not the other way around.
7. Acts 17:11: "These were more noble minded that those is Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the Scriptures daily, whether those things were so."
Comment: This is a very important verse that you cannot simply rattle off. It must be explained to be effective. Begin by explaining the background - possibly like this: "Paul and Silas are kicked out of Thessalonica. They come to Berea and begin to preach the Gospel. Now, the
Bereans have never seen Paul and Silas before, nor have they heard this Gospel. How are they going to know that it is true? If the Mormon position is right, we should read that they hit their knees and began praying to receive a testimony. Is this what we find? No." At this point you quote the verse, emphasizing the last clause which says "and searched the Scriptures daily whether those things were so." You then might continue by pointing out the fact that the Word of God was the standard the Bereans appealed to, not their emotions. Then, before the Mormon does so, move to the next verses.
8. I Thessalonians 5:21: "Prove all things, hold fast that which is good."
9. James 1:5: "If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him."
Comment: I Thessalonians 5:21 is a verse that will come in handy in many situations and with many different groups. I know a large number of Christians that should take its advice as well. At any rate, you will want to back up Acts 17:11 with this, and then move straight to James 1:5 before the Mormon does. Since it is claimed that James 1:5 gave Joseph Smith his impetus to go out into the woods to pray before the First Vision experience, most Mormons are familiar with it, and will use it to try to make prayer more important than God's revealed Word in determining truth. It is very effective to go to the favorite verses of Mormons, and interpret them correctly before the LDS person can give his false view of it. This is one of the keys of keeping control of the conversation! You might do it like this, "Now, it is true that James tells us that if we lack wisdom, we are to ask of God. However, it is important to note that the word used at James 1:5 is wisdom (Gr: sophia), not knowledge (Gr: gnosis)." [You may wish to learn the Greek words and use them at this point]. "Hence we see that the Bible does not contradict itself, but does indeed tell us that God's revealed Word is the final authority, not our feelings or prayers, no matter how strong those feelings, or sincere those prayers." This series of verses, properly utilized, can open many doors that otherwise would be shut. Learn them well.
Section III
God
[Note: This section is divided into three different presentations. Of course, this listing is not meant to be exhaustive, and includes only those verses that lend themselves to the battle-line situation. There are many, many more that say the same things.]
- There is only ONE God -
Verses
10. Deuteronomy 6:4
11. Isaiah 43:10-11
12. Isaiah 44:6, 8
13. Isaiah 45:5-6
14. Isaiah 45:22
15. Psalm 96:5
10. Deuteronomy 6:4: "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:"
Comment: [For the reason LORD is in small caps, see verse 16 below]. This verse is known as the Shema (from the Hebrew word translated "Hear!"). It was recited every morning by every good Jew. It is the heart and soul of Judaism - it is sheer monotheism - one God. The passage goes on to talk about loving Yahweh (LORD) with all your heart and soul - a pretty tough trick if there is more than one God hanging around out there!
11. Isaiah 43:10-11: "You are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour."
Comment: I doubt there is a more often used verse in dealing with Mormons than Isaiah 43:10. The reason is clear - the LDS law of "eternal progression" [intelligence -> spirit -> man -> god] is cut right in half by this verse. There were no gods before Him, and there will be none after him. As Wally Tope likes to put it, there is no "Future Gods of America Club" - God is not advertising for vacancies. The Christian finds firm ground in this verse upon which to make his stand, and stand he should! Unless a Mormon comes to realize that there is only one true God, he is going to have a tough time understanding the salvation offered by that one God! [You may also be interested to know that this verse is the source of the name for another rather famous cult - Jehovah's Witnesses].
Few Mormons have ever seen or read Isaiah 43:10, and even if they did, they probably missed it, so effective are the Mormon blinders of false doctrine and the "testimony." But a few have run into it in debate before, and may try to use an old trick on you. They will point out (rightly, as far as it goes) that the context here is in reference to false gods - hence, God is simply saying that He is the only God for this planet, and that we should not worship false gods. As you can see that ploy does not really address the issue, but it seems logical to the Mormon. How do you deal with that? Simple. You might do it like this: "Then what you are saying is this, "before me there were no false gods formed, and there will be none after me"? Certainly you can see that that doesn't work. God is proclaiming his uniqueness - there is only one true God, and He is it!" You would then move quickly to consolidate the Biblical position with one or more of the following verses.
12. Isaiah 44:6, 8: "Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God...Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any."
Comment: Two more strong verses in proclaiming monotheism to the polytheistic Mormon. Verse eight is best introduced with a question - "Does God know about all those other gods out there?" The answer, from the LDS viewpoint, is obvious - they must answer yes (if they don't you might want to point out Psalm 147:5). "Well, if He knows of all those other gods out there, why does He say in Isaiah 44:8..." [Note - the New American Standard will have, "Is there any God besides Me, or is there any other Rock" rather than the KJV "God." The difference is purely translational, as the word translated "rock" is frequently used of God in the OT].
13. Isaiah 45:5-6: "I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else."
Comment: Modern versions will translate the phrase "from the west" much more accurately, recognizing it as the idiom for the setting of the sun.
14. Isaiah 45:22: "Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else."
Comment: You may wish to point out the fact that since this one true God is the only one who saves, it is important to know Him.
15. Psalm 96:5: "For all the gods of the nations are idols: but the LORD made the heavens."
Comment: This verse will be useful when a Mormon dredges up some obscure reference to "gods" in the Bible (see specific examples of this below under the Miscellanious category).
- Who are/is Yahweh and Elohim? -
Verses
16. Deuteronomy 4:35
17. Psalm 100:3
18. 1 Kings 18:39
19. Isaiah 44:24
20. Psalm 97:9
16. Deuteronomy 4:35: "Unto thee it was shewed, that thou mightest know that the LORD he is God; there is none else beside him."
Comment: Though it is important, especially in this series of verses, to stick with the KJV, please change "shewed" to at least "showed" if not "shown." Thank you.
This section of verses introduces an aspect of witnessing that few have undertaken to use very often. We at Alpha and Omega Ministries have found it to be helpful, and so I share it with you. In Mormonism, the two Hebrew words which refer to the one true God are mixed up. Mormons believe that "Elohim" (which is translated "God") is the Father, and that "Jehovah" is the Son. Now, "Jehovah" is a false pronunciation of the Hebrew word "YHWH," correctly pronounced "Yahweh." This is God's "personal" name in the Old Testament. Unlike Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons rightly believe that Jesus is Jehovah (YHWH) - unfortunately, since they miss the clear fact that there is only one God, they miss the significance of the whole thing. At any rate, in Mormonism the Father and Son are two distinct personages and two distinct gods - hence, the Bible should support this teaching. Does the Bible teach that "Elohim" and "Jehovah" are two beings?
Before we can answer that, we must figure out how to recognize the Hebrew words themselves in an English translation. A vast majority of the time, the word "God" in the English Bible is the translation of the Hebrew "Elohim." If you are in doubt about a specific passage, consult an exhaustive concordance of the Bible (such as Strong's). The way you recognize the Tetragrammaton (=YHWH) is that the English Bible will translate it "Lord" but will have the "o-r-d" in capitals, yet a smaller size. We will indicate this by typing it "LORD". Should you need to give support for this to the Mormon (which you probably will) see the Bible Dictionary in the back of the King James Version published by the Mormon Church (1979 and after), page 711, top left column (or, under "Jehovah"). This should satisfy them.
Hence, if we can find Scripture identifying Elohim as Jehovah, or Jehovah as Elohim, the Mormon teaching is in trouble, to say the least. Now, I have been kicked out of Mormon Visitor's centers for showing these verses to people they are so plain, especially to Temple Mormons. Allow me to explain. In the temple ceremony, Elohim and Jehovah appear as separate and distinct individuals. They talk with each other and interact - there is no way to confuse them. In Talmage's book Articles of Faith, pages 466-473, we have "The Father and The Son: A Doctrinal Exposition by The First Presidency and The Twelve." It clearly identifies the Father and Elohim and the Son as Jehovah. Why go into all of this? The only way Mormons can get around the fact that the Bible says Elohim is Jehovah is to deny that they really identify the Father as Elohim; "that is just a matter of convenience" is one excuse I have heard. Most Mormons won't do that - only those who know they have a real problem supporting this teaching.
Now, what does all of this have to do with this section of verses? You may have already guessed. As you look at Deuteronomy 4:35, you will notice that it says "...the LORD, he is God..." With your new knowledge, you can tell that the Hebrew text reads, "...Jehovah, he is Elohim..." Oops, the LDS church has a problem here. Now you can see the value of these verses. Look at the next one.
17. Psalm 100:3: "Know that the LORD he is God; it is he that hath made us, and not we ourselves; we are his people, and the sheep of his pasture."
Comment: You can see the direct connection between Dt. 4:35 and Psalm 100:3 - both say "Jehovah, he is Elohim." Notice also the problem polytheism has with these passages - Dt. 4:35 says there is none other beside him, not them - which is what it would have to say if Jehovah and Elohim were different beings.
18. I Kings 18:39: "And when all the people saw it, they fell on their faces: and they said, "The LORD, he is the God; the LORD, he is the God."
Comment: Again, the identification of Jehovah as Elohim is here made, twice even!
19. Isaiah 44:24: "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth for the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself."
Comment: This verse provides what might be called a "sanctified trap." It can be used to make a Mormon see the contradiction between his temple ceremonies and the Bible. In the temple ceremony, Elohim directs Jehovah and Michael to go down and organize an earth similar to the ones they have already made. Hence, Jehovah is not alone in creating the earth - Elohim is in charge and Michael is with him. By asking a question like, "Was Jehovah alone when he created the earth, or did he have help from others? Was Elohim involved?" you can lead into this verse quite nicely and present yet another problem for the Mormon's polytheistic ideas.
20. Psalm 97:9: "For thou, LORD, art high above all the earth: thou art exalted far above all gods."
Comment: Should the LDS person persist in his belief in polytheism, this verse will present another difficulty. In Mormonism, it is impossible for Jesus (Jehovah) to be exalted above his Father (Elohim). Hence, when faced with the above verse, the Mormon must admit either 1) the "gods" mentioned are not real gods but false gods, or, 2) that Jehovah is exalted far above all gods, including "Elohim". Either position causes problems for his argument.
[Note: the above section presents some somewhat complicated information - use your best judgment as to whether the situation warrants its use.]
- God's Nature -
Verses
21. Psalm 90:2
22. Malachi 3:6
23. Numbers 23:19
24. Hosea 11:9
25. Jeremiah 23:24
26. 2 Chronicles 6:18
21. Psalm 90:2: "Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God."
Comment: I have not yet had an even semi-reasonable rebuttal of this verse by a Mormon of any rank. The best they have ever offered is, "Well, he is the God of this eternity, but not other eternities." This, of course, involves a redefinition of the very term "eternity." I use my hands to point one direction while quoting "even from everlasting..." and then, pointing 180 degrees the other direction, "...to everlasting, thou art God." It is good to emphasis the present "art." He not just "was" or "will be," He is God, and has always been God and always will be God. Press the claims of this verse strongly.
22. Malachi 3:6: "For I am the LORD, I change not."
Comment: Notice only the first part of the verse is given, as the last portion goes on to re-join the contextual discussion. God does not change - because of that we can have trust in God and His plan of salvation. This idea can have a very strong effect on a Mormon, especially one who is realizing the sheer folly of any kind of works-salvation system. Many Latter-day Saints long to have security - long to have a righteousness not based on their works (Philippians 3:9!) but on God's grace. In my first encounter with Mormon missionaries I brought up this very fact, that my salvation as a Christian was based on the word of an unchanging, eternal God, while his salvation was based on the word of a god who was once a man. The point drove home, I could tell.
23. Numbers 23:19: "God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?"
Comment: God is not a man - not even an exalted man. God is a completely different order of being than is man - man is God's creation. Be prepared for the sharp Mormon to take you to Genesis 6:6 and try to show a contradiction in the Bible (interesting, isn't it, how the cults must attack the Bible?). Problem is, they are ignoring the context of the passages and the meanings of the words. The word literally means to "sigh deeply" or be troubled. In Genesis 6:6 the rest of the verse expresses God's deep sorrow at the wickedness of man. Such is not the case at Numbers 23:19 - here the context clearly is in reference to a changeableness like man's.
24. Hosea 11:9: "...for I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee..."
Comment: Again, the whole verse is not given here.
25. Jeremiah 23:24: "Can any man hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD."
Comment: The Mormon has been taught that the Christian's view of God is some fuzzy ethereal essence floating about through space like some kind of cosmic fog. The very idea of a God who is omnipresent and unlimited was held up to open ridicule in the Mormon temple ceremonies (as was the doctrine of salvation by grace) all the way up to 1990. Since man cannot imagine such a majestic, glorious, eternal and unlimited being as the God who reveals Himself in the Bible, he comes up with squashed-down, man-like imitations that are much more to his liking. Such is the Mormon doctrine of God. Joseph Smith reached up and pulled God down from his throne and made him a man, while reaching down and pulling man up by his boot-straps and making him a god-in-embryo (yet another Wally Topism). The Bible will have none of this kind of teaching. God Himself says, "Do not I fill heaven and earth?" "Oh, yes!" says the Mormon, "God fills heaven and earth through his influence, His Holy Spirit!" But is that what it says? God says, "do not I fill heaven and earth," not "does not my influence fill heaven and earth."
26. 2 Chronicles 6:18: "But will God in very deed dwell with men on earth? behold, heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain thee; how much less this house which I have built!"
Section IV
Jesus and Lucifer
Verses
27. Colossians 1:15-17
28. John 1:3
29. Ezekiel 28:13
30. Revelation 22:13
27. Colossians 1:15-17: "Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: and he is before all things, and by him all things consist."
Comment: This section of verses addresses a vital topic in Mormon teaching - Jesus, according to Mormons, is the spirit-brother of Lucifer! This amazing teaching is based on the idea that since Jesus is God the Father's literal offspring (in his case, both spiritually and physically) as is Lucifer, they must be spirit-brothers. This blasphemy is based upon numerous other errors such as polytheism, which we have already addressed. At any rate, it is quite useful (as well as important) to be able to demolish this falsehood Biblically, and these verses provide a framework in which to do it.
By utilizing the Colossians passage above, you will force the Mormon to see the Scriptural position concern-ing Christ over against their limited ideas. The LDS Church does teach that Jesus created all things - while at the same time denying that. Yes, I know that doesn't make sense. See, the Mormon limits the Bible's authority spacially - i.e., the Bible is true only as long as it rests on planet earth - it is "only for this world." Hence, when the Bible says "all things" the Mormon auto-matically thinks of only those things related to this world - they cannot understand it to mean what it says, "all things..." They must alter the Scriptures at this point in their thinking. The Christian must point out this illogical thinking, and that is not easy. Mormons do not have the concept of the true, eternal, almighty, omnipotent God of the Bible that Christians do. The Bible clearly states that Jesus created all things - there are no exceptions.
(Note: some Mormons will actually ask you, "so who created God? Did Jesus create God?" Psalm 90:2 will help.)
28. John 1:3: "All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made."
Comment: Make sure to familiarize yourself with the context of this verse. You will again need to set the stage before using this, making sure the Mormon realizes that the "him" in verse three is in reference to the Word who is Jesus Christ (1:14).
29. Ezekiel 28:13: "Thou hast been in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering...the work-manship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou was created."
Comment: You may wish to memorize this one in the NASB or some other modern version - "tabrets" and "pipes"? At any rate, the verse is important because of its reference to one who was "in Eden." The next verse this person is identified as "the anointed cherub that covereth" and that this one was "upon the holy mountain of God." Many scholars would identify this passage as having a double audience - one, the obvious "king of Tyre" (vs. 12), the other Lucifer himself. Be aware that there are Christian scholars who would not push this passage that far - they do not see Satan addressed here. Most, however, see Satan referenced both here as well as in Isaiah 14. It seems fairly obvious to me that Ezekiel 28 does refer to Satan, and in that, says that he was "created." The important point is that Satan is a created being - and, since we have seen, Jesus Christ created all things, how could the Creator (Jesus) be the spirit brother of His creation (Satan)? That is the point!
30. Revelation 22:13: "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last."
Comment: This passage could be used as the "stinger" in this discussion. I usually use it like this, "the Bible says Jesus is the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last, not number 165,000 on the totem pole." The fact is Jesus is supreme - He is not one of many gods, but is the One True God.
Section V
Blood Atonement
Verses
31. I John 1:7
32. 1 Peter 1:19
33. Matthew 12:31-32
31. I John 1:7: "But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ, his Son, cleanseth us from all sin."
32. I Peter 1:19: (ye were redeemed...) "...with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot..."
Comment: These verses put forth the Biblical teaching that the sacrifice of Jesus Christ is all-powerful and all-sufficient. There is no trespass, no sin, no in-fraction that is so serious that the blood of Jesus Christ is not powerful enough to cleanse it. This is not the case in Mormonism, however. A sinful man's blood is more powerful than Christ's for the forgiveness of serious sins such as murder in the LDS Church. Now, as soon as you quote the above two passages, the Mormon will bring up the next verse, so lets move on to it...
33. Matthew 12:31-32: "Wherefore, I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven men; but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him; but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the age to come."
Comment: At this point the Mormon will bring up the "unpardonable sin." They identify the unpardonable sin with their idea of blood atonement. Hence, the Christian must be able to deal with the unpardonable sin issue in a fast, logical, easily communicated way.
Now, I will be the first to admit that there are a number of different views to be found amongst Christians concerning this topic. The view I take I freely admit comes from a professor I had in college by the name of Dr. D. C. Martin. At first I didn't like the way Dr. Martin (to be distinguished from Dr. Walter Martin) put this, but as I dealt with the topic in relationship to the cults, I found his explanation to be very consistent.
Basically, this is how I handle the unpardonable sin:
The context of this passage is vital to an understanding of it. Just before these words of Jesus He had cast out a demon. The Pharisees had come to Him and accused Him of casting out demons by the prince of demons, Beelzebul, or Satan. This charge provides the background for understanding verses 31 and 32. The Pharisees had identified the working of the Holy Spirit with the power of Satan - they had called God the devil.
Jesus identifies this act, that of calling that which is good evil, as the unpardonable sin. Why is this un-pardonable? Is it unpardonable because it is so serious that even the sacrifice of Christ cannot atone for it? No, I don't believe so. Lets see why.
When one blasphemes the Holy Spirit, he (or she) is cutting himself off from the presence and work of the Spirit. When one rejects the work of the Holy Spirit (by attributing it to evil, as the Pharisees had done), one is cut off from His convicting power. Remember that the Bible tells us (John 16:8) that one of the roles of the Holy Spirit is to bring conviction of sin to the heart of man.
This is what makes the unpardonable sin unpardonable - it is not the seriousness of the sin itself, as the effect it has - one cannot ask for forgiveness of sin unless one is convicted by the Holy Spirit. When one cuts oneself off from His convicting power, one cannot any longer ask for pardon, hence the unpardonable sin. As Dr. Martin put it, it is unpardonable because it is unpardonable - you can't ask for forgiveness from it.
Now, it may be asked, who would commit this sin? First, we can see that the person would have to be terribly twisted, calling what is obviously good, evil, and what is obviously evil, good. Isaiah put it this way, "Woe unto them who call evil, good, and good, evil; who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!" (Isaiah 5:20). The most likely candidates for this, ironically, are religious people - the very ones who have the most "light" in which to walk are the ones who can become so twisted as to commit this sin. I have seen, sadly, such people involved both in cults, and more often, in atheism. I remember debating a man who was once a minister but who now is an active atheist, a "minister preaching the good news of freethought." Such a person, by his own statements, is a likely candidate for the unpardonable sin, and most definitely falls in the category of one spoken of in Hebrews 6:4-6.
The main point of all this is the fact that the unpardonable sin is not one that by its grossness or severity is beyond the reach of Christ's power to forgive - it is unforgivable because of the position it places the sinner in, a position from which he cannot cry for forgiveness. Indeed, it is my opinion that the one who has committed the unpardonable sin will not care about it - his conscience is seared and he is not concerned at all. By the same token, if a person is concerned about his having committed this sin, it is very doubtful that he has.
Section VI
Priesthoods
Verses
34. Numbers 16:40
35. Hebrews 5:4
36. Hebrews 7:3
37. Hebrews 7:12
38. Hebrews 7:24-25
39. Hebrews 8:4
40. Matthew 27:51
41. John 1:12
42. Revelation 1:5
43. 1 Peter 2:5
[Note: It is not my intention to go deeply into the topic of the priesthoods in this section. That must be left up to your own study and work. Comments will be limited to technical aspects and suggestions]
34. Numbers 16:40: "To be a memorial unto the children of Israel, that no stranger, who is not of the seed of Aaron, come near to offer incense before the LORD; that he be not as Korah, and as his company: as the LORD said to him by the hand of Moses."
Comment: Again, the context and background must be discussed. Learn about Korah's rebellion, and how this demonstrates that one must be a Levite of the family of Aaron to officiate in the Aaronic priesthood. Then, you must point out that in the Mormon's "patriarchal blessing" he was told that he was of the tribe of Ephraim or Manassah - not the tribe of Levi or the family of Aaron! Hence, he cannot hold the Aaronic priesthood, at least not at the same time maintaining that it is the same priesthood that was in existence in that day.
35. Hebrews 5:4: "And no man taketh this honor unto himself, but he that is called of God, as was Aaron."
Comment: This is a favorite verse of Mormons, which in reality condemns their position. They usually quote it thinking that they were called even as Aaron was. A quick glance at Exodus 29 and Leviticus 8 will reveal how Aaron was called - modern LDS certainly are not called in that way! (Some LDS might say the "call" came from God and that is what Hebrews 5:4 is about - fine. Then what does Hebrews 5:4 have to do with their claim to the Aaronic priesthood at all? This interpretation, which is correct, causes the LDS position severe troubles in light of the rest of the book of Hebrews' presentation of what is, and what is not, the priesthood.)
36. Hebrews 7:3: "Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like unto the Son of God, [he] abideth a priest continually."
Comment: Much more important than the "Aaronic" priesthood is the supposed "Melchizedek" priesthood held by Mormon elders 19 years of age and older. Hebrews is the source of our information about this priesthood, and to it we will turn. Note that 7:3 gives us a description of the Melchizedek priest - he is without father, mother, descent, and is eternal. Few Mormons will claim to fill those requirements. Also,
as soon as this topic is broached, you will surely be asked, "Well, who was Melchizedek then? Isn't he still a priest?" We are given very little actual information about the historical person Melchizedek, so it is hard to answer that question. The writer of Hebrews' point is that the Melchizedek priesthood is completely and totally unique, and so we can't get a lot of information from that source. Many scholars feel Melchizedek was a pre-incarnate appearance of Jesus Christ, and this is the position I personally take. Of course, Mormons don't take much stock in what scholars think about anything - they just accept what their own leadership teaches. It would be best to keep the conversation on the subject by pressing the claim of the Scripture at that point, or by bringing in Hebrews 7:24-25 at this point (see below).
37. Hebrews 7:12: "For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law."
Comment: The word translated "change" is the term metatithemi. Dr. A. T. Robertson commented on this passage, "God's choice of another kind of priesthood for his Son, left the Levitical line off to one side, forever discounted...." Some really sharp Mormons might say, "Yes, the priesthood has been changed - now today we don't have to be of the tribe of Levi!" Of course, this ignores what Hebrews is talking about in the first place. This response is very rare - most Mormons would recoil from the very idea - but it could come up.
38. Hebrews 7:24-25: "But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood. Therefore, he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them."
Comment: This is an extremely important passage to get down. Of course, I would suggest getting the context of the entire discussion of the priesthood in Hebrews down first. Then, get specific with this passage. The "man" is, of course, Jesus Christ. The writer says that because he continueth ever, he has an unchangeable priesthood. Now, first notice that the basis of the priesthood is the fact that "he continueth ever" - He is eternal. How can a Mormon claim this? Next, the word translated "unchangeable" is very important. Since it is used only here in all the Bible, it is hard to be dogmatic about the translation. At the same time, it is clear that the meaning is "intransferrable," (Strong's) and "unchangeable, and therefore not liable to pass to a successor" (Thayer's Greek Lexicon). A. T. Robertson commented "God placed Christ in this priesthood and no one else can step into it," and the Expositor's commentary says "...that the new priest is sole and perpetual occupant of the office, giving place to no successor." Some Mormons would argue this meaning (very few know anything about it at all) and would say that it is referring to the eternal nature of the priesthood more than inviolability. Fine. Then the question must be asked, if Jesus holds this eternal, unchangeable priesthood, why should anyone else? Is not Jesus' work sufficient? That is the whole point of this passage. The very next verse goes on to proclaim the fact that because of Jesus being our one high priest after the order of Melchizedek, He is able to save "to the uttermost" (completely) those who come unto God by Him. Can the Mormon elder claiming to hold the Melchizedek priesthood claim to save people completely, to the uttermost? I certainly hope not. The Mormon claim to the priesthood is based on a complete misunderstanding of what the priesthood did and now does.
39. Hebrews 8:4: "For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law."
Comment: This is a not-very-often used verse that makes two points - one, Jesus' priesthood is not an addition to or a furtherance of the old priesthood - His is one that is completely and totally unique, since Jesus is completely and totally unique Himself. His priesthood is based on His completed work, while the old priests offered sacrifices that simply pointed to the eventual fulfillment of all things in Christ. Second, if the Mormons are right about needing the priesthood to have authority, what authority did Jesus have while on earth since He was not a priest until after His death and resurrection? Hmm.
40. Matthew 27:51: "And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake and the rocks rent;"
Comment: First change "was rent in twain" to "was torn in two" and "the rocks rent" to "the rocks were split." That might help some. The point of memorizing this verse is to point out that when Christ died on the cross, God made a statement about the priesthood and He made it loud and clear. Once a year the High Priest went through the veil to offer the atonement for the sins of the people. The only access the people had to the presence of God in the Holy of Holies was through the priesthood and that once-a-year event. Hence, when Christ died, God showed once and for all that everyone now had access directly into the presence of God through the shed blood of Jesus Christ. He symbolized this by tearing the veil that separated the Holy of Holies from all else from top to bottom (notice not bottom to top as man would do), opening the way directly into His presence. Now, this was definitely a supernatural event, as that veil was made of woven cloth at least four inches thick! The point you will want to make in the witnessing situation is this - God has opened the way for each and every believer, whether male or female, bond or free, Jew or Gentile (see Gal. 3:26-29) to have direct access to Him through Jesus Christ. The old function of the priesthood has passed away - it has been fulfilled in Christ - so why recreate it? The Mormon teaching in effect does away with what Christ accomplished on the Cross! The entire Mormon plan of salvation does this also, so this is just part and parcel of a larger false teaching.
41. John 1:12: "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name;"
Comment: The word translated "sons" in John 1:12, tekna, is more accurately rendered "children," especially in the Gospel of John. At any rate, this verse is my first response to the inevitable Mormon question, "Well, what is your authority? By what authority do you do these things?" My response centers around John 1:12. The word "power" is the Greek term exousia which can also be translated "authority" (see Mt. 21:23 where the KJV translates it in this way). Our authority as Christians is not bound up in some mythical priesthood based on a human organization - no! Our authority comes directly from the Lord Jesus Christ! We are made children of God by faith in Jesus Christ, and there can be no higher power than that!
42. Revelation 1:6: "And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father, to him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen."
Comment: You will probably want to dump the KJV at this point and go to the NASB: "...and He has made us to be a kingdom, priests to His God and Father; to Him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen." The KJV here mistranslates basileian and misses yet another example of Granville Sharp's Rule (see our information sheet on this rule if you are interested). All that technical stuff aside, the verse is fairly clear. We are a kingdom, and each one a priest unto God. Now, we are not Aaronic priests, or Melchizedek priests, or any other kind of priest that is involved in sacrifices or anything else - we have already seen that from Hebrews. Instead, we are believer priests, a royal congregation of called out ones who make up the body of Christ, the Church (Ephesians 1-2). Notice especially that all are included - male or female, quite unlike the male-only Mormon priesthood.
43. 1 Peter 2:5: "Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ."
Comment: You may want to put "living" for "lively" to avoid any unwanted ideas. This verse teaches that all Christians who are in the Church are part of a holy priesthood that offers sacrifices, not for sin (like the old priests) but spiritual sacrifices. What are these sacrifices? We offer praise, obedience, even our very bodies (Romans 12:1) to God. The Biblical teaching about this is quite different from the LDS conception of a formal authority structure, is it not?
Section VIl
Salvation
[Note: This section is divided into five sub-sections. Again, as with our discussion of God, this is not meant to be an exhaustive listing of verses.]
- The Gospel -
Verses:
44. I Corinthians 15:1, 3-5
45. I Corinthians 1:14, 17-18
44. I Corinthians 15:1, 3-5: "Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you...For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; and that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the Scriptures; and that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve."
Comment: This verse needs an introduction. This is the way I have used it - when the subject of the Gospel comes up, the Christian needs to point out that the "gospel" of Mormonism is not the Gospel of the Bible. Hence, another question/answer situation is helpful. I normally start like this: "Do you know where the classic definition of the Gospel is found in the Bible?" I cannot honestly remember ever getting the proper answer from a Mormon, but if you did I wouldn't let it bother you. Chances are that Mormon has spoken to Wally Tope or one of the volunteers from Alpha and Omega Ministries. At any rate, you then continue on (no matter what the response), "It can be found in 1 Corinthians 15, where Paul says..." and then you quote the above passage. After having done so, you might continue, "See, the Gospel is the story of the Person and Work of Jesus Christ. It is the message of His death, burial and resurrection. Now, let me ask you a question - did you hear any ‘laws and ordinances’ in that Gospel?" (Mormons believe in "gospel ordinances and principles - Third Article of Faith). The answer is, of course, no. Now, the Mormon will immediately jump into some "works-salvation" prooftext which you will have to properly exegete for him (probably James 2:20), but before you let him/her direct the conversation in that direction, reiterate the fact that Paul preached a gospel that centered on the Person and Work of Jesus Christ, not on the person and works of the sinful man. It will be incumbent upon you to make sure the Mormon sees the difference!
45. I Corinthians 1:14, 17-18: "I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius...for Christ sent me not to baptize but to preach the gospel; not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of no effect. For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us who are saved it is the power of God."
Comment: This passage is a good, quick rejoinder to the Mormon contention that baptism is part of the Gospel, as you can see. Verse 17 makes a clear distinction between baptizing and preaching the gospel - if baptism was part of the gospel then why did Paul say this? Also, I threw in verse 18 for your edification. You will, if you do this long enough, experience the truthfulness of this passage for yourself. I have not yet had the privilege (?) of attending the Manti Miracle Pageant, but someone who has was telling me about it at General Conference recently. She told about how at one point in the Pageant the choir mockingly sings "At the Cross," poking fun at those silly "Christians" who sing it. It is sad indeed, but the cross is foolishness to Mormons, at least in its real meaning. They certainly would not say such a thing, but its absence is conspicuous in their buildings, its effect is negated through their doctrines of blood atonement, works-salvation and the priesthood, and the very idea that Christ's sacrifice is not a unique event (what happened on all those other worlds?) is enough to convince the Christian person of the truthfulness of I Cor. 1:18.
- Sin -
Verses:
46. Romans 3:23
47. Ecclesiastes 7:20
48. Romans 3:10-11
46. Romans 3:23: "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God..."
Comment: Most of you will already have this verse memorized, and many Mormons do also. You might wonder why we even bother mentioning it here, but there are several reasons. First, I would suggest to you going verse by verse from Romans 1:1 to this point and get the context down really well. You will find that it is the climax of an argument Paul has been pursuing for quite some time. Also, continue on through chapter four and you will find the ultimate refutation of the entire LDS doctrine of salvation in Paul's discussion of the grounds of righteousness.
Believe it or not, I once sat in a Mormon bishop's office for forty-five minutes talking about sin. Now, I had been asked to go into his office after having gotten up during a Fasting and Testimony meeting and giving my testimony. For some reason they didn't appreciate my testimony of salvation by grace through faith. At any rate, the bishop informed me that Spencer Kimball taught that there were perfect men on earth who had not sinned. I never expected to have to prove universal sinfulness to a Mormon, but it happened. You may never need to use these verses in this kind of situation, but it is best to be prepared. The other, more prevalent reason for talking about sin has to do with the Mormon misunderstanding of it. The Book of Mormon says, "Adam fell that men might be; and men are, that they might have joy" (2 Nephi 2:25). Biblically, nothing could be farther from the truth. God did not have to utilize sin to bring men into a position where they could have joy. Sin brings death, not joy. As with most human beings, Mormons have fallen prey to the belittlement of the seriousness of sin. What is even more ironic, the Mormon system then goes on to destroy the plan by which God deals with sin! It is a sad sta
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