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Today on a Mega Edition of the Dividing Line

04/24/2012 - James White

Had to go for a Mega edition today as I will be flying to Boston on Thursday for the big NoCo video shoot, where I will be carrying water and adjusting lights while the Big Guys, Phil Johnson, Carl Trueman, and Mike Abendroth, do the heavy work. Started off talking religion and politics, Mormonism and the like, and then transitioned, after about 45 minutes, into a continued response to Adnan Rashid from his debate with Jay Smith back in February. We should be back to our regular schedule next week! Here's the program.

And don't forget the WayBack Machine, streaming Dividing Lines from 1998 onward 24/7! You can listen on the Flash Player found here.

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The Mormonism 101 Series Repost

04/24/2012 - James White

Here are the links to the series titled "Mormonism 101" that I posted 5 years ago. I hope these articles will be helpful to those dealing with this issue today as well.

Mormonism 101: Badly Needed in our Culture Today

Mormonism 101: The First Vision Continued

Mormonism 101: More on the LDS Scripture's View of God

Mormonism 101 Continued

Mormonism 101: Second Level Statements: The King Follett Discourse (#1)

Mormonism 101: Second Level Statements: The King Follett Discourse (#2)

Mormonism 101: Second Level Statements: The King Follett Discourse (#3)

Mormonism 101: Second Level Statements: The King Follett Discourse (#4)

Mormonism 101: Second Level Statements (More)

Mormonism 101: Second Level Statements (Final)

Mormonism 101: Third Level Statements (#1)

- Special - Jesus and Lucifer: Spirit Brothers?

Mormonism 101: Third Level Statements (#2)

Mormonism 101: Third Level Statements (#3)

Mormonism 101: Third Level Statements (#4)

Mormonism 101: Fourth Level Statements (#1)

Mormonism 101: Fourth Level Statements (#2)

Mormonism 101: Fourth Level Statements (#3)

Mormonism 101: Fourth Level Statements (#4)

Mormonism 101: Fourth Level Statements--Final You Graduated!


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Great Example of the Failure of Sola Ecclesia

04/22/2012 - James White

The famous Algo pointed me to a rather lengthy thread in the Catholic Answers Forums today, found here. It is an excellent example of how the constant drumbeat argument of Rome, that sola scriptura leads to differences of belief and practice, etc., but Rome is wonderfully unified, etc., is not a wit short of ludicrous. Here you have faithful Roman Catholics, seeking to follow after the leadership of their group, quoting sources right and left, all in disagreement with each other! It would be humorous if it was not so serious, since the issue is who is, and who is not, saved! But alas, the addition of reams of alleged "tradition" to the inspired Scriptures has done nothing to bring unity and clarity, for, of course, all that alleged "tradition" does is obscure divine truth, since it is human in origin and inconsistent with itself.
This thread reminds me of the off-hand remark Robert Fastiggi made to me during one of the breaks in our televised debates way back in the mid 1990s. When I pointed out a conflicting opinion expressed in print by a Roman Catholic scholar, he opined, "Yes, well, there are certainly more views expressed now that we stopped the Inquisition." Yes, yes indeed there are.

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Yesterday on a Jumbo Dividing Line

04/20/2012 - James White

Started off with an e-mail from someone who has bought Rome's anti-sola scriptura rhetoric hook, line, and sinker, without seeing the inconsistency thereof. Then looked at Bryan Cross' simplistic misrepresentation of his former faith, looked at Bart Ehrman's response to Dan Wallace and the Markan fragment find, and finished off with a call on the ordaining of the means as well as the ends. Here's the program.

Next Tuesday will be the only DL of the week, so we will make it a Mega version!

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Just a Reminder...

04/20/2012 - James White

...to pray for the production of this hopefully edifying and corrective video series, taping of which begins a week from today.



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Early DL Today, 2:30pm MST, 5:30PM EDT

04/19/2012 - James White

I'm speaking about 35 miles from my office this evening, so I need to move the DL up some to give me sufficient travel time. A jumbo edition today beginning with some e-mails, and a review of Bryan Cross' misrepresentation not only of Reformed theology, but of the biblical witness as well. Join us today on the Dividing Line!

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Yesterday on The Dividing Line

04/17/2012 - James White

I think I may get to have some help during the summer with blogging things and...well, just general help, so maybe the DL's will get blogged regularly! Anyway, yesterday we did a Jumbo edition of the DL, pretty well splitting it in half between a continued review of Emir Caner's anti-Calvinism sermon (somehow it didn't get Canerized!) and then continuing our rebuttal of Adnan Rashid's comments from his debate in Dublin with Jay Smith. Here's the program.

And don't forget the WayBack Machine, streaming Dividing Lines from 1998 onward 24/7! You can listen on the Flash Player found here.

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Jumbo DL TODAY (in Lieu of Tomorrow's Regular Show)

04/16/2012 - James White

Join us today at 3:30pm MST, 6:30pm EDT, for a Jumbo edition of the Dividing Line! This will take the place of the regular Tuesday edition.

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This Past Week on the Dividing Line

04/13/2012 - James White

Either I'm getting old and forgetful (probably), need a secretary (definitely), or I'm way behind on writing a book and that's all my little brain can keep up with (for certain), but I did not blog any of this week's programs! Yikes. What's worse, I told the same story on both programs! Well, let's hope if I start doing the "repeat stories" thing that at least they are stories worth hearing multiple times.

Anyway, on Tuesday I tried to catch up with a bunch of e-mails on a wide variety of topics while at the same time fighting with a connectivity issue on our phone system. For those who have sent in questions, well, I might have gotten to yours on the program! Here's the program.

Then yesterday we did a Radio Free Damascus and I continued my response to Adnan Rashid's comments in the 2/23 debate in Dublin with Jay Smith on the topic of the text of the New Testament. Here's the program.

And don't forget the WayBack Machine, streaming Dividing Lines from 1998 onward 24/7! You can listen on the Flash Player found here.


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T4G, Sole Authority, and Church Tradition

04/12/2012 - James White

I would like to briefly respond to some comments made by C Michael Patton in a blog article that he posted today. I would like to start by saying that I agree with the fundamental assertion that he made, specifically, that the T4G statement of faith is inaccurate when it describes the Bible as the “sole authority for the Church.” I have often identified this very terminology as a misrepresentation of any meaningful historical and biblical definition of sola scriptura. It is one the primary means the Roman Catholics use to attack the doctrine of sola scriptura because it is transparently obvious that it is inaccurate to state that the Bible is the only source of authority that the church recognizes or utilizes. It is necessary to recognize that sola scriptura speaks to the Scripture's role as the sole infallible rule of faith for the church, not the sole rule of faith period. Any church that is confessional in its expression and practice would be in violation of this less than accurate definition of sola scriptura. For example, my own church utilizes the 1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith as an accurate and sufficient representation of our doctrinal beliefs. And yet, it could be argued that we are using this as a source of authority, which would violate the inaccurate definition of sola scriptura. I have explained the necessity of being careful in our definitions on this matter in a number of my published works.

However, I must disagree with Mr. Patton at a very important point in his discussion. He wrote in his article,

Without tradition being an authority we would not even have the Scriptures themselves, as it is only through tradition that we know what Scripture is actually Scripture. The Scriptures have no place where there is an inspired list telling us which books belong in the Scripture (we call this the “canon” of Scripture). It is through the traditions of the church that we know which books are the final authority. Therefore, tradition must be an authority to some degree.

I would like to suggest to Mr. Patton that at this point he has, in fact, fundamentally compromised on the doctrine of sola scriptura. Or at the very least, he has put himself in a position where he could never defend his doctrine of sola scriptura against a sharp critic of his position. I invested a fair amount of space in my book, Scripture Alone, discussing the issue of the canon of Scripture. I suggested that the common approach of defining the canon on a merely historical basis misses the fundamentally theological nature of the canon itself. I pointed out that the canon is a necessary artifact of the act of inspiration. The canon exists of necessity. Since God inspired some books but not all books, that means a canon exists de facto. God knows the canon infallibly because God knows his own actions infallibly. Since God has a purpose for the church to know the extent of His act of inspiration in providing to us the Scriptures, then God will expand the necessary effort to make sure that the church receives the blessing and gift he has given to us in Scripture, and that includes having a sufficient knowledge of the canon to accomplish His ends. But Mr. Patton identifies the canon as a “tradition of the church." I think Mr. Patton would have a very difficult time defending the concept of sola scriptura against a very sharp Roman Catholic opponent if he takes this position. It is another example of how many of those who are in the forefront of evangelical proclamation today have not seriously engaged Roman Catholic apologetics especially on the issue of authority. See my discussion of the theology of the canon in Scripture Alone, pp. 95-119.

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What the New Religion of Atheism Has to Offer

04/10/2012 - James White



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James White "Admits" What Again? A Brief Study in How Religious Fanaticism Can Destroy Simple Logical Thought

04/09/2012 - James White



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Monday Miscellaneous

04/09/2012 - James White

Just a few quick notes. Got back from Cincinnati last night, trying to dig out from under e-mails and the like. Lots of important meetings this week. Going to be a real challenge.

Tomorrow on the DL I will be doing Mail Day, where I will tackle some of the mountain of e-mails sent in with questions and comments. Who knows, you might have one of the same questions!

Really honored to have officiated at the wedding of Lane Chaplin and Susan Yenser Friday night in Cincinnati. Well, I think it was Cincinnati. No, wait, it was Covington, Kentucky. Who knows? The roads back there are like spaghetti anyway (here in AZ roads go north, and roads go south; roads go west, and roads go east---pretty much anyway). We kept crossing in and out of Ohio and Kentucky, hard to remember where things were. Anyway, many of you know Lane due to his massive YouTube channel and his interviews with the great and the small. I've known them for years, and we always knew they would marry, but as I said at the start of the ceremony, "Well, it's about time!" I was the midget in the ceremony (OK, no, my daughter was, but we were both lost in the Land of the Giants), with the maid of honor seriously towering over me by more than a foot. "We were married by a Lilliputian!" I can just hear them explaining that to their kids someday. But anyway, may the Lord bless their relationship and may they live together under the Lordship of Christ in harmony and peace until, as they promised before God and men, "death do us part."

Also, finally, the new book on Isaiah 53 (we don't have it in our Amazon store yet, but as soon as we do, I'll link to it) has come out, so I am already in contact with Michael Brown and we will soon schedule a Dividing Line where the two of us will work through the chapter based upon the Hebrew text, responding to Jewish and Muslim objections to the prophetic nature of the text. Should be a useful and helpful time!

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For All Those Who Ask for This Graphic

04/09/2012 - James White

For everyone who has been asking where to get the graphic that David Ould gave me while I was in Australia, and that I have used in my presentations on the reliability of the NT, you can find it here. It is too big for me to post here. :-)

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Man of Sorrows!

04/06/2012 - Alan Kurschner

Man of Sorrows! what a name
For the Son of God, Who came
Ruined sinners to reclaim.
Hallelujah! What a Savior!

Bearing shame and scoffing rude,
In my place condemned He stood;
Sealed my pardon with His blood.
Hallelujah! What a Savior!

Guilty, vile, and helpless we;
Spotless Lamb of God was He;
Full atonement can it be?
Hallelujah! What a Savior!

Lifted up was He to die;
"It is finished!" was His cry;
Now in heaven exalted high.
Hallelujah! What a Savior!

When He comes, our glorious King,
All His ransomed home to bring,
Then anew His song we'll sing:
Hallelujah! What a Savior!


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The Resurrection and a Lesson I Learned on the Choppy Sea

04/06/2012 - Alan Kurschner

Here is the the Crossan/Borg vs. White/Renihan 2005 Debate on the Resurrection.

I attended this debate that took place on the sea during an Alaskan cruise. It was either the day before or after the debate that Dr. White held a session on the cruise for his ministry cruisers where he expounded on the folly of the world's wisdom in 1 Corinthians 1—certainly, one of the most offensive gospel passages in the Bible for the unregenerate. Marcus Borg and his wife seemed to inadvertently attend the session not knowing it was a Bible sermon-study. Of course, it was by God's providence.

I recognized that moment the palpable contrast between a prideful, liberal, world-esteemed Jesus scholar mistakenly attending an unabated gospel sermon on the:

"word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written, “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the discernment of the discerning I will thwart. Where is the one who is wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?"

Now many would be tempted to water down the message (I had to ask myself if put in that situation, would I have done so?). But I will never forget to this day that Dr. White did not hold back the unadulterated 1 Corinthians 1 gospel presentation simply because Borg was in attendance. In fact, I think he emphasized the "folly of the world's wisdom" to make his point to Borg.

I looked over at Borg sometime during White's sermon (I know, I know, I need to look inward during sermons) and I could be mistaken but Borg's countenance seemed to say, "I would rather jump off this cruise ship into the ocean than be here right now." Of course, only God knew his heart.

Why could Dr. White preach as such? Because his Reformed faith has taught him that you don't change hearts by preaching a palatable message to the unregenerate. Instead, you trust that God is absolutely sovereign and you trust that the gospel is divine power, "lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power." We can never presume on God's purposes.

I look back on that choppy-sea day and the example of Dr. White's boldness whenever I am placed in those situations by God and tempted to trim off offensive elements of the gospel. Perhaps this is the fundamental principle to all preaching: You must first trust with the totality of your being that the divine message you are proclaiming is efficacious, for his Word does not return void.

“(17) For Christ did not send me to baptize but to preach the gospel, and not with words of eloquent wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power. (18) For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. (19) For it is written, “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the discernment of the discerning I will thwart.” (20) Where is the one who is wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? (21) For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to save those who believe. (22) For Jews demand signs and Greeks seek wisdom, (23) but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles, (24) but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. (25) For the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.” (1 Cor 1:17–25 ESV)



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From the Lips of Jesus or a Scribal Hand?
"Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing"

04/05/2012 - Alan Kurschner

Luke 23:34a is often known as the so-called, "First Saying of Christ on the Cross." His intercessory prayer has been an indelible saying in the minds of the biblical literate (and not so literate) for centuries. This saying is perennial sermon fodder for pastors on Good Friday. And those who have viewed the poignant film The Passion of the Christ directed by Mel Gibson may be aware that these words are placed on Jesus’ lips, not once, but twice.

A few years ago I wrote a paper entitled, "Luke 23:34a: From the Lips of Jesus or a Scribal Hand?" I argued that this saying of Jesus on the cross has significant textual doubt to its originality. It was sometime during the second century, probably the middle to the late part, that this saying was added, probably to a gospel harmony, and from then on it eventually found its way into all the text-types and the majority textual history thereafter.

I am not going to reproduce my entire paper here, but I will provide some points of discussion, namely on the textual evidence that shows that this reading lacks important textual support.

(I want to preface by saying that this textual variant has theological implications on the debate of whether forgiveness requires a transaction; i.e., is it conditional or unconditional? That is, should the offender be repentant-contrite before we can grant forgiveness and thereby have reconciliation? Those who claim that forgiveness is unconditional almost exclusively cite Luke 23:34a as their prooftext. If I am not mistaken, evangelical biblical counselors are split over whether forgiveness is conditional or unconditional. In addition, this textual issue has ramifications for universalists who cite this saying as their main prooftext. So unpacking the theological cash value for this textual conclusion deserves its own article.)

Documentary Evidence

There are substantially two readings, a short reading (omission) and a longer reading (insertion). The following Greek evidence is given in a bird’s-eye format, which will allow us to see the significant Greek witnesses all at once. The format here is taken from Reuben Swanson’s very helpful New Testament Greek Manuscripts: Variant Readings Arranged in Horizontal Lines Against Codex Vaticanus (Luke Edition).[1]


One example of a scribal insertion of Luke 23:34a into a manuscript (marginally) is shown vividly in Codex Bezae below; evidently, the scribe did not want to exclude this traditional saying:


(You can view it at Codex Bezae online at image 537)

For Jacobus H. Petzer, the documentary evidence for an insertion into the textual tradition is noted,
Analyzing this evidence shows that the short reading [i.e., omission] has in fact a wide basis of diverse evidence in its favour: The text is absent from almost all the earliest Alexandrian witnesses, notable P75, B and the Sahidic version, as well as some of the later Alexandrian or Egyptian witnesses, such as the Bohairic version and the minuscule 579. It is absent from some Western witnesses, notably the early Latin witnesses a and d, as well as Codex Bezae. It is furthermore omitted in the early Syriac tradition through its absence in the Synaitic Syriac version and the Syriac commentary of Cyril. Finally, it is even omitted in some of the early sources of the Byzantine text, such as W. [2]
This is indeed an impressive resumé for its omission. But the litany of important MSS is not absolute and should be qualified (which Petzer acknowledges as well). It should be observed that though the short reading is attested from the second century, the longer reading from early church writers such as Irenaeus, Hegesippus, and the Diatessaron is found in the second century as well (see also ITALA[3] ). And certainly from the fourth century onwards it is evidenced in the Western and other traditions (see IGNTP[4] ).

Ephrem’s citation of this verse in his Commentary on Tatian’s Diatessaron should not be dismissed, says Delobel. He writes,
The reliability of Diatessaronic variants is particularly debated, given the dates and nature of the multiple witnesses and the problem of agreeing upon sound methodological criteria for identifying original Tatianic readings. If there is one point, however, in scholarly research on the Diatessaron on which many scholars do agree, it is the reliability of Ephrem’s Commentary for attributing a particular verse or passage to Tatian’s original text.[5]
Compared with the longer reading attested namely by the Western tradition, the early textual reality for the shorter reading is shown to be in three out of the four text-types with important representative witnesses supporting the shorter reading: partly the D-text (D it(a)(d) sy(s)), B-text (B P75 sa bo(pt)), C-text (W). But noteworthy are the MSS that attest the longer reading: Aleph, A C it(b) sy(c) bo(pt) f1 f13 and the early writers as listed above.

Petzer notes that the material evidence for the long reading is early, but qualifies it,
All these witnesses, however, belong to the same text-type. The evidence is thus genealogically limited. The pattern is more or less the same in the third century, with the reading occurring in Origen, Hipolytus of Rome, the Latin manuscripts c and e, which represent the earlier African form of the Vetus Latina, as well as the Curetonian Syriac version. All this evidence belongs to the Western texts with Origen the only exception.[6]
In contrast, the diversity of the documentary evidence gives substantial weight to the shorter reading and thereby would strongly suggest a secondary origin of the longer reading. But the external documentary evidence cannot be considered definitive without an honest evaluation of internal considerations, which can be complex, yet extremely significant to the conundrum of this variant. But internal consideration is for another day, however, I did argue in my paper that there was likely a scribal numerical motivation for this interpolation. I direct the reader to a discussion of this at the Evangelical Textual Criticism blog here.

The Non-Variation of this Variant.

I want to mention one other point.

There is the prevalent suggestion that the result of its omission in important MSS is due to an anti-Judaic bias of particular scribes and church leaders in the early church.[7] This is the most significant argument that views Jesus’ prayer as an early excision; and given that Codex D in Acts has been demonstrated to contain an anti-Judaic bias, it is a worthy point for further examining the validity of the claim.[8]

One observation that I would like to adduce is that if this is an excision, it is difficult to explain its omission in toto from an anti-Judaic tendency of a scribe. There are examples in which over-pious scribes in the copying process would omit a single word with theological, pious, or “harshness” effects. But also, more common would be the phenomenon of scribes to alter or replace the “difficult” word; or at least to mollify its affects by adding words or omitting some form of syntax, etc. Further, in our case, we are not speaking of only a single-word variant, but an entire clause. Surely then, we should see at least one example of a witness altering Jesus’ prayer for theological reasons. But this is not the case; the witnesses either omit the prayer all together, or it is all intact.

This should be qualified by the example of Codex A since it leaves out “pater”; but even in this case, the omission of pater does not suggest any anti-Judaic bias. Not to mention the insignificant differences of the verbal form of poiosin in MS 33, and as well the verbal form of eipen found in K M P A. It would certainly be an anomaly that this apparent theological tendency would have no theological variation within the clause itself. The consistency of the witnesses either omitting the clause completely or consisting of no substantial change when it is included, demonstrates that it is more likely an insertion into the transmission process, than it is an excision.

My Conclusion

In my estimation, given the judgment of the weight of both the external and internal support [internal support was not covered in this blog post], it is reasonable to place about a 75-90% degree of probability that the longer reading is a scribal insertion early into the transmission history. The attestation among text-types and the diverse early geographical witnesses and their genealogical weight strengthens the probability of the shorter reading being primary. Whereas the longer reading is attested primarily early on in only the Western text. Not to mention the nature of the Western texts often introduces traditional readings. Extra-biblical Jesus-logia in the first couple of centuries would explain the addition of the words. And this would be consistent with the tendency of the early church to add logia than to omit it.

And in this case, if the numerical motivation theory is correct [see again here], it was first introduced most likely into a gospel harmony or some form of collection of sayings that were harmonized before it entered an actual place in Luke. Concerning the argument that this reading was excised early because of anti-Judaic bias, in this particular variant, it is not a sufficiently cogent reason as explained.

Up until the second century, the shorter reading was read widely. It was until sometime during the second century, probably the middle to the late part, that the longer reading was added and from then eventually found its way into all the text-types and the majority textual history thereafter.




NOTES

[1] Reuben Swanson, New Testament Greek Manuscripts Luke. London: Sheffield Academic Press, 1998. 396.
[2] Jacobus H. Petzer, “Anti-Judaism and the textual problem of Luke 23:34”, Filogogia neotestamentaria.
5 no 10 N 1992, 199-203.
[3] Adolf Jülicher, ITALA: Das Neue Testament in altlateinischer Überlieferung. Nach den Handschriften hrsg. III Lucas-Evangelium. Durchges. und zum Dr. besorgt von Walter Matzkow und Kurt Aland. Berlin: Walter De Gruyter, 1976. 264.
[4] The American and British Committees of the International Greek New Testament Project. Edited., The Gospel According to St. Luke: Part Two Chapters 13-24. Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1987. 217-218.
[5] Joël Delobel, ‘Luke 23:34a: A Perpetual Text-Critical Crux,” Sayings of Jesus: Canonical and Non-Canonical: Essays in Honour of Tjitze Baarda (ed. W. L. Petersen, J. S. Vos, and H. J. de Jonge; NovTSup 89; Leiden: Brill, 1997) 29.
[6] J. H. Petzer, P. J. Hartin, Eds. Text & Interpretation New Approaches in the Criticism of the New Testament. Leiden: Brill 1991. 56.
[7] Thomas M. Bolin, “A Reassessment of the Textual Problem of Luke 23:34a,” Proceedings: Eastern Great Lakes and Midwest Biblical Societies 12 (1992) 131-44. And see Rendel J. Harris, Expositor. VIII: 7, 1914 333-34.
[8] Eldon J. Epp, The Theological Tendency of Codex Bezae Cantebrigiensis in Acts. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2005.

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The Muslim Use of the Errant Unitarianism of Sir Anthony Buzzard

04/04/2012 - James White

I have engaged Sir Anthony Buzzard on a number of occasions. We engaged the relevant subjects on the Unbelievable Radio Broadcast on March 13, 2010, and I had to correct his constant assumption of unitarianism, esp. as it refers to the name Yahweh, at that time. Michael Brown and I engaged Buzzard and a cohort on the Jewish Voice Broadcast during the summer of 2010:







Once again, both Michael and I corrected Anthony's constant yet unproven assumption of unitarianism. [I note that I am scheduled to debate Sir Anthony, one on one, in Hephzibah, Georgia, in early December]. Clearly, Sir Anthony cannot break out of the circle of his commitment to bland unitarianism, and as a result he finds himself being used regularly by Muslims (willingly, we wonder?). MuslimByChoice, whose channel nick should be changed to MuslimByConfusion, has posted the following video:



If one does not assume unitarianism my comments are, well, obvious. Only by cutting, editing, and ignoring context, can Sir Anthony attempt to create confusion and hence contradiction. He refuses to allow for the distinction between being and person, and on the basis of that refusal, asserts contradiction on my part. Yet, my very definition is based upon the distinction in usage and referent for the terms "being" and "person". Hence, to reject part of my definition, import a different definition, and on that basis accuse me of contradiction is irrational. We have seen this error on Sir Anthony's part many times. But what is MuslimByChoice's excuse this time? He is citing a man who believes Jesus died and rose again. He believes Jesus is properly called the Son of God (in a much higher sense than Islam can possibly allow) and hence is someone who rejects the inspiration of the Qur'an and the prophethood of Mohammed. It is clear once again that MuslimByChoice chooses to use any source, no matter how inconsistent with Islamic doctrine, teaching, or history, as long as it looks like it is contradictory to the Trinity. Isn't it interesting to see how dependent Muslims are upon enemies of the Christian faith, like Bart Ehrman, for example? Rejection of biblical teaching makes strange bedfellows, to be sure!

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Yesterday on the Dividing Line

04/04/2012 - James White

Started off with a bit of a discussion about apologetic and cultural presuppositions, and then went to the phones. First caller out of the box was James, a Roman Catholic, who clearly had a particular formulaic approach he has used to attempt to show Protestants the errors of their ways. We went back and forth for 25 minutes, and the final outcome was pretty clear: God-centered gospel vs. man-centered gospel, gospel as defined by Scripture vs. gospel as defined by Rome. I bet some think he was a set up to illustrate exactly what I was saying last week, but he wasn't. Well worth the listen. Here's the program.

I was going to attempt to do a Skype DL from Cincinnati Friday morning, but I think wisdom would have me focus on the preaching and ministerial duties I have that day. Thursday is going to be a very long travel day, so we will just need to get back in the "rhythm" next week!

And don't forget the WayBack Machine, streaming Dividing Lines from 1998 onward 24/7! You can listen on the Flash Player found here.

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Credo, or Credam?

04/04/2012 - James White

I guess the difference between my view of Rome's gospel and C. Michael Patton's (as seen in his most recent comments, following up on last week's article) is summed up in the title line: "credo" means "I believe," in the indicative; "credam" would be in the subjunctive, a less forceful and clear affirmation. I believe Rome's gospel is a false gospel, full stop, end of statement, indicative mode. But brother Patton's discussion is filled, and I truly mean filled, with question marks. What about this? What about that? What about those folks over there? Do any of us really have it right? Isn't it all a matter of "better" and "best," "closer" and "close enough"? How about them Eastern Orthodox? Couldn't we do better than we are doing? Etc. and etc.

I understand the desire to avoid being a narrow-minded, ignorance-driven, tradition-bound, know-it-all-but-know-nothing-at-all fundie who banishes everyone who parts their hair differently (or who allows their women to wear pant suits!) to hell. I get it. We all want to be open minded and inclusive and loving and tolerant and all that wonderful stuff, right? I went to Fuller, remember? I know how to talk about biblical contradictions with circumlocutions like "tensions in the text" and all that stuff. Been there, done that, got the degree.

But here is where I get off the train and wave as it passes by: call me out of date, call me hopelessly archaic and out of touch, but…I do not think it is a matter of a "spectrum" of "gospels." It's not "close, closer, closest." There is something called a dividing line, and if there isn't, I can't make heads or tails out of Galatians, or Romans, for 1 John. Now brother Patton says, "There is definitely a line that can be crossed. I can’t always tell you exactly where that line is." Where we part company is that I do not have the slightest problem looking at Rome's gospel and saying without hesitation, "that's not a gospel, that's not close, that's not just missing something, that's not just deficient---that makes the gospel Paul anathematized in Galatia look like child's play." Patton continues to ignore the issues I raised in my critique and focuses solely upon sola fide. As important as that is, to isolate that from the entirety of Rome's sacramentalism, with its heart being found not in its doctrine of justification per se, but in the "eucharistic sacrifice" of the Mass, is to miss the real issue. By reducing Rome's error to "missing" justification by faith, Patton and many like him today show a fundamental misapprehension of what Rome is all about. It is the work of Christ, or in the case of Rome, the work of Christ re-presented through the sacramental authority of the priest, that is central. Rome denies that the death of Christ perfects anyone at all: His death creates a massive reservoir of grace that is then doled out to the faithful through the sacraments of Romanism. But any discussion of Rome's message that does not take into consideration its oft-repeated and explained concept of the Mass as a propitiatory yet non-perfecting sacrifice that leaves the believer in danger of hell fire and punishment, brought about by a man who is identified as an "alter Christus" through his special sacramental powers, will not adequately express the totality of Rome's fundamental errors. Putting Rome on the same level as others who simply deny sola fide is not even fair to Rome's own claims, let alone does it properly see the inter-connectedness of Rome's dogmatic denials of the biblical faith.

So in answer to brother Patton's plethora of interrogatives, I counter with a single assertion: if Paul's anathema of the Judaizers means anything, it means Rome's dogmatic denials of fundamental gospel truths, normally embedded in her positive additions of non-biblical teachings, must be, on any rational level, considered to be under the same anathema. All the post-modern angst that can be wrapped up in the "well, there are many questions that can be asked in this area" cannot erase the clarity of the dividing line provided by Scripture.

17:47:50 - Category: Roman Catholicism - Link to this article -


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